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The Portland, Ore., branch of the Independent Media Center--one of the most virulent Angry Left Web sites around--has a page devoted to the death in combat last week of Pat Tillman, the pro football player turned Army Ranger who died in combat in Afghanistan last week. This is offensive stuff, so you might want to skip it, but we think it's worth shining a light on. The page begins with a Washington Post story about Tillman's death under the headline (Indymedia's, not the Post's) "Dumb Jock Killed in Afghanistan." This is followed by reader comments. A sampling (quoted verbatim except for expletives):
"Tillman chose to go to Afghanistan. He's partially reponsible for the deaths of hundreds, maybe thousands of Afghan civilians. No need to feel sorry for him, other than feeling bad that he was brainwashed into serving as a grunt."


"it's amazing the kind of attention this insignificant incident is going to cause. well, he was rich, white, and an american. 10,000 (brown) iraqis get killed, and it barely merits a mention in the american news. how utterly f---ing sad."


"To be honest I wish I could feel sorry for the guy, but the truth is I really feel nothing at all. To many have died and too much money has flowed into the pockets of Dick Cheney to even worry about it."


"if he 'sacrificed' anything it was his common sense. He had a good American thing going and blew it."

In fairness, not all posters agree. "I'd like to correct the ridiculous headline that preceeds this story," writes one: "Brave American sacrifices friends, family and fortune in defense of his country. Pigs on IndyMedia can now continue to exercise free speech, sacrifice nothing and spew hate."
 

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Like it or not, there are some valid points in there.

Yeah, yeah fuktards .. I know - you hope I'm going to hell because (God forbid) I believe human equality trumps nationalism.
 

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The valid points that may or may not be there are overshadowed by the headline "Dumb Jock Killed in Afghanistan"...not a good way to change minds.
 

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Oh, well then your Topic line should have been followed by just the headline. The context you presented implied the Topic line described the entire article.

Oh, I found most of the article spot on, but don't disagree that the headline was a less than lovely description of Tillman.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Shotgun:
The valid points that may or may not be there are overshadowed by the headline "Dumb Jock Killed in Afghanistan"...not a good way to change minds.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed 100%. The title is assinine.
 
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I do not care about Iraqi civilians or Afghan civilians any more than they care about us. Our military couldn't fire enough stray bombs in the mid east (or Berkely) for my liking. No one seems to have a problem with the 3 thousand civilian deaths from 9/11/01 anymore. We should level every city in Iraq & Afghanistan and then bring everyone home and then tell the world that the same thing will happen to them if they feel like sponsoring terrorists.
 

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Agreed Mr NJ Sports. Maybe the next president will not be so damn compassionate fighting a war. We'll have to wait until 2008, unfortunately, unless Bush's people start to see the fight. One American soldier killed vs. one million Iraqi's - I'd prefer the latter. Could be worse though, as we could have a liberal in office and thus many more American citizens killed on our home turf like 9/11.
 

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They why don't the two of you gear up, head on over there, and do just that? You and like-minded Sadr supporters could have a go at each other, and take out as many civilians as possible. Heck, why not turn it into a contest to see who can ping off the most Iraqis? We could get you a nice little white peaked hood with Halliburton written on the back as the grand prize.
 

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You'll be fishing in Ontario waters in June ... you're visiting here? Whereabouts?
 

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"Could be worse though, as we could have a liberal in office and thus many more American citizens killed on our home turf like 9/11."

Joint,

Thanks this one made laugh.
You do realize of course that it's conserv/repub international policy much more than lib/dem that increases the anti-American sentiment that eventually leads to terrorism don't you?
 

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On an island, between an island with yellow cabins and another island where and eagle has a nest atop the largest tree.

Basically the middle of nowhere on Lake of the Woods.
 

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Jealous brainwashed? To whom do you refer?
Please be coherent.

Your last comment could easily be about southern baptists.
 

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Pat Tillman died for our sins. Like Custer and Jesus, Tillman, the former National Football League star who volunteered to serve in Afghanistan, went to his death for failed, fraudulent government policies. In case you missed the last few days of tributes, Tillman, 27, was the best and brightest, a man with everything to live for, sent to die by the worst and most cynical of men, for cruel and self-serving purposes masquerading as principles.

Killed in action in Afghanistan, Tillman received a nationally televised eulogy on every major US television network this past weekend, the type of eulogy usually reserved for fallen American icons. Unlike the nearly thousand other US deaths from our ill-fated actions in Afghanistan and Iraq, Pat's death became a public event and added to his already considerable luster as a passionate, hardworking, former football player in the NFL. To those families with servicemen killed in action whose sacrifice remains hidden, suppressed or censored, the public iconification of Pat Tillman must have seemed both gratifying yet bewildering. Grieving parents could identify with Tillman, personify the sacrifice of their own beloved child with that of this idealistic young warrior. Yet too, they must have wondered, why hadn't their own son or daughter been given a public eulogy on ESPN or Fox or on the front pages of major newspapers?

Certainly most of the all-volunteer, US military men and women who have been killed in action were once as dedicated to a patriotic ideal as Tillman. Most of them were as competitive in high school sports or academics. Most of them also had to "overcome incredible odds or were undersized"--two accolades most often heard when Tillman was mentioned.

Looking at a picture of Pat Tillman, most American men recognized an ideal of manliness lacking in ourselves and especially in our elected leaders. Does anyone see even a remote resemblance between Pat Tillman and say, Dick Cheney, George Bush or former President Bill Clinton? If Pat Tillman typified the best and brightest that America had to offer, his example was a vision of America usually found in high school history books, not the sinister vision offered by the White House.

But Pat was not the first idealistic athlete victimized by the State for its own purposes. In life--and now death--Pat resembled two similar athletes little known to most Americans. Olympic athlete Lutz Long and heavyweight boxing champion Max Schmeling both underwent glorious, much propagandized ascents and tragic falls similar to that of Tillman. Both men were German, and both opposed an evil, fascist regime that used them as poster boys--like our own jingoist media and Machiavellian State--for self-serving propaganda purposes.

Lutz Long--like Pat Tillman--resembled the high cheekboned, Teutonic ideal. A sprinter and long jumper for the German Olympic team, Long was favored to medal in the 1936 Summer Olympics held in Berlin. According to biographies of Jesse Owens (who won four gold medals in that historic Olympic event personally hosted by Adolf Hitler), Long and Owens became fast friends despite the massive propaganda and pageantry heralding Hitler's triumph of the invincible Master Race. Jesse Owens was black, and Lutz Long as white as the sheets of the KKK. Between the two stood racial separation like a fortress wall, official Nazi policy in Germany but almost a religion in America.

Despite Nazi propaganda, the German spectators gave Jesse Owens the warmest ovation of his life. Just before he entered the stadium, Owen's track coach Larry Snyder cautioned the youngster from Ohio State about a possible hostile reception that never came: "Don't let anything you hear from the stands upset you. Ignore the results and you'll be alright." But German admiration for athletic achievement--like that of all true sports enthusiasts--transcended racial prejudice. Lutz Long looked on in admiration and envy.

According to an account by Arthur Daley of The New York Times, Owens later told and retold the story of his struggle to qualify in the long jump and of Lutz Long offering consolation and advice. An inch or two taller than Owens, Long was "blond, lean, and blue-eyed, a walking advertisement for Hitler's Aryan ideal." According to Owens's reminiscences--and now popular legend--Long reportedly suggested that Jesse make a mark six inches back or place a towel six inches back of the board in order to avoid fouling. As Jesse told it later, after his final jump, Long took Owens's hand, held it high, and shouted to the crowd, "Jesse Owens! Jesse Owens!", and the entire stadium thundered with a chanting of "Jaz-ee-ooh-wenz." According to those who actually saw it, the actual moment of sportsmanship was much quieter but no less powerful: The two athletes walked off together, arm-in-arm to the dressing rooms. In truth, Owens and Long became good friends during their time in Berlin. Owens explained their friendship as "simply two uncertain young men in an uncertain world."

Lutz Long died in combat a few years later, dying like Tillman, far from the thunderous applause of stadium crowds, fighting for the Nazi regime on the occupied island of Sicily. It is doubtful that Adolf Hitler had personally sent Long to the front, as some stories suggest. Possibly Long volunteered, much like Pat Tillman. But Hitler's imperial policies killed Lutz Long, just as the thinly-disguised, expansionist policy of the Neocons killed patriotic Pat Tillman, plus a thousand other American soldiers like him. The Germans grieved upon hearing of the death of their fallen hero in battle, as we Americans now grieve for Tillman.

To oppose the State, however, carries as much--or more--physical risk, than to support it. Max Schmeling, heavyweight champion of the world, fought many formidable foes, and like Tillman, emerged larger than life when the largest and most sinister foe of all--the State--crumbled around him. Matched against the legendary Joe Louis, the "Brown Bomber" fought Schmeling in an atmosphere of race hate and propaganda--much like the poisoned sandstorm swirling in the world now. Schmeling lost his title to Louis, but the two legends remained friends, despite the virulent hatred spewing from the German and American governments, fomented by the state-supported media of both countries.

According to Louis Bulow, "During the 1936 Olympics Max Schmeling exacted a promise from Hitler that all U.S. athletes would be protected. On several occasions Hitler tried to cajole the respected boxer into joining the Nazi Party, but Schmeling vigorously refused ever to join the Nazi party or to publicize the Nazi propaganda line. Over Goebbels' personal protest, he refused to stop associating with German Jews or to fire his American Jewish manager, Joe Jacobs. Hitler never forgave Schmeling for refusing to join the Nazi party, so he had him drafted into the Paratroops and sent him on suicide missions."

As Bulow also notes: "Schmeling treasured camaraderie and friendship and somehow, each of his ring opponents became his friend. He regularly and quietly gave the down-and-out Joe Louis gifts of money, and the friendship continued after death: Schmeling paid for the funeral."

This weekend Pat Tillman was eulogized as a great American hero who made the "ultimate sacrifice." But do not allow his memory to serve as a recruitment poster for further nationalistic designs or brutal abuses of the State. If Pat Tillman is greeted at heaven's gate by Lutz Long, Jesse Owens and Max Schmeling, it will be because he served an ideal that cost him his life--in spite, not because, of State sponsored oppression.
 
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You idiots that say he died because of our fraudulent policies are just complete imbeciles. He died in Afghanistan. Should we have just allowed 9/11/01 to go unpunished? Because if we did it would have been the 1st of many days like that.
Go hide your heads in the sand (no mideast pun intended) and hope that we do not get attacked.

You liberalsare like the little kid in high school who had his lunch money stolen everyday and thought that if he just kept giving to the bully that bully would stop bothering him.
 

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I find it amusing that some conservs are always trying to portray liberals a wimps.

We think repub politicians and reagan, bush1, bush2, Bob Doyle, etc come to mind none of which really instill fear if you know what I mean. The only repub tough guy I can think off the top of my head is John Wayne (yeah I know Swarzaneger, I just see him as more of a Hollywood tough guy than the real deal). Michael J. Fox portrayed your typical dweeby young republican on Family Ties.

Hmmm I guess conservs are tough because they aren't afraid to fire missles and send young men to die to fullfill their political agendas. That must be it.
 

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Maybe the Dems should be a bit more consistent on voting for a strong military and then the 'weak on defense' perception won't wash water.

Of course, most of the Dems that believe in a strong defense have become republicans...
 

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Do you mean strong military or wastefull repub military spending?

Despite cutting public education, guaranteed student loans and social security, Reagan still managed to take us from largest creditor to largest debtor nation with his military spending. Some say he won the cold war although growing up at that time it all seemed pretty ridiculous talking about Russia can blow the world 80 times but we can blow up the world 120 times, I think once you have the power to destroy the world 4 or 5 times the whole arms race becomes kind of silly (not to mention what he wanted to waste on star wars, which would have never worked). Then of course there were the government contract scams of that era with the $100 screws and $500 toilet seats the government was buying.

Then we have bush1 one going to war with Iraq for Japan's oil because we owed them for buying up all those government bonds.

Or maybe you mean bush2 spending billions on a conflict we shouldn't even have gotten into. Luckily we'll be able to convince G.I.'s to re-up even though they are fed up by offering fat bonuses, oh but I guess the government will have to pay for that too.
 

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